treo 700p features

[viper_]

Do you think that there will be enough of an improvement over the 650, to justify leaving a stable platform for a "new" OS?

firstly, i don't know what u mean by "stable" platform as the treo 650 is one of the buggiest device ever with all it's random crashes and resets and incompatibilities. that being said, i love the palm platform and have spend endless hours acquiring knowledge abt various apps/hacks/utilities and how to use them to ur advantage. i for one wouldn't throw it all out of the window (pun intended) for a windows mobile device.

at the same time, it's not that i'm not open to a change at all. i would have considered the 700w if it was worth considering, which in my opinion is not for the following reasons:

1. a screen resolution of 240x240 ??? after seeing a 320x320 there is no way ppl are wanna go back to that kind of a rsolution.

2. the major difference would be the ability to use a wifi card, for me that is not such a major issue. it'd be nice to have it on the treo 650 as well but i don't see myslef using it too much.

3. the other main selling point is that the 700w will have ev-do, which should be the deal clincher for many... i use gsm so that doesn;t make a difference to me. the 700w is going to be available exclusively through verizon till june'06... and the rumoured 700p should be out in a couple of months after that... and the ceo of palm has already indicated that it is gonna be a much better device. so it comes down to a wait of just a couple of months.

4. there's also the 64mb ram.. but it's not a palm device therefore not comparable to 64mb on a palm device. i guess it's more like 40 mb on a treo 650.

5. i've seen the pics of the 700w side by side with the 650, and i must say that the 700w looks ugly. not coz it tuns windows... it just looks ugly.

the above are just my personal viewpoints... will vary with different ppl. i believe that the 700w is targeted at corporate users who already have a windows setup in their offices and not at treo 650 users.

just my $0.02!

[Antoine of MMM]

1. a screen resolution of 240x240 ??? after seeing a 320x320 there is no way ppl are wanna go back to that kind of a rsolution.

3. the other main selling point is that the 700w will have ev-do, which should be the deal clincher for many... i use gsm so that doesn;t make a difference to me. the 700w is going to be available exclusively through verizon till june'06... and the rumoured 700p should be out in a couple of months after that... and the ceo of palm has already indicated that it is gonna be a much better device. so it comes down to a wait of just a couple of months.

the above are just my personal viewpoints... will vary with different ppl. i believe that the 700w is targeted at corporate users who already have a windows setup in their offices and not at treo 650 users.

just my $0.02!

Ouch :tongue:

Just to clarify, the WM platform uses ClearType, the 240x240 screen will look just fine with MS's implementation of subpixel rendering.

Main selling point wont be the EVDO but the fact that it run WM and has the Palm name. Believe it or not, corporate folks are basically MS folks and ned stuff that the IT people can work with with as little heartache as possible. Yes, the PalmOS is quite capable, but you cannot bring a 2nd or 3rd OS into many places withuot a ton of customization and even then, training folks to see their PDA different from their computer would be a trip most companies dont want to take.

[viper_]

Just to clarify, the WM platform uses ClearType, the 240x240 screen will look just fine with MS's implementation of subpixel rendering.

i'm not saying it's gonna be bad... but in all fairness, it is a downgrade from a 320x320 resolution. text may still look gr8, but there has to be a performance hit when it comes to image or video viewing.

Main selling point wont be the EVDO but the fact that it run WM and has the Palm name. Believe it or not, corporate folks are basically MS folks and ned stuff that the IT people can work with with as little heartache as possible.

i agree... which i s why i said it is aimed at corporate users and not the other normal folk who already own a treo 650. and when i said EV-DO could be the deal clincher, i meant for those normal non-corporate folks.

all said n done, i know i'm not gonna get a 700w :tongue:

[PPCMD]

I do find it funny how the battle still rages on. Palm users are not expected to switch to the Treo 700w, I repeat, NOT EXPECTED to switch to the Treo700w. Its obvious that Palm plans for Palm users to stay and Windows users to join.

On the 240x240, I have to ask the users who seem to bash the screen resolution, have you actually seen one (other than on a web site) or used one yourself. Well I have the hw6515 and its more than fine. I have used Palm 160x160, 320x320, 320x480, WM 240x320, 640x480 and yes 240x240. Do I see a big difference? Sure if you put them side by side. But its about form, function and overall what your going to use your device for, with that 240x240 will do just fine on the Treo7002w.

WiFi, well at least on the WM device you can add a WiFi SD card and go, on Palm how long has it taken to get WiFi SD cards to work and how many devices do they work on. Yeah I thought so.

64MB RAM on a WM5 device will be fine, even I don't have 5 apps running at the same time so thats not an issue for me.

But your right, the Treo700w is ultimately targeted at the corp users but also WM power users who want the convergence and don't want Palm OS.

Its great to have choice and thats what matters.

[Antoine of MMM]

WiFi, well at least on the WM device you can add a WiFi SD card and go, on Palm how long has it taken to get WiFi SD cards to work and how many devices do they work on. Yeah I thought so.

Correction of sorts; the wifi card *could work* on the Treo. It was deliberately coded not to work on devices that did not have a piece of the driver code in the device itself and then a hardware identifier piece of code from the driver software that came with the card. That was the MAIN reason why we havent seen anyone able to make one that works without much work on the side of us users.

Nonetheless, you are right, it aint here for the Treo and does work on only intel xScale palmOS Palm PDAs

64MB RAM on a WM5 device will be fine, even I don't have 5 apps running at the same time so thats not an issue for me.

This is a point that I think you arent confused with, but for the benefit of those reading this thread, I will clarify a few things.

Your hw6515 uses WM 2003 second edition; the Treo 700w will use WM5. They use RAM quite differently. Where as you have a limited amount of ROM, the Treo will have 64MB of ROM with which all programs will be stored. RAM, where you store programs on your hw6515, is regulated to be only used by programs that are currently running.

Now, while it is most likely true that the Treo 700w will have 64MB of RAM (or running space for their programs), it is known that the OS while running takes almost 2/3 of that (this is seen from current WM5 devices that have similar configurations to the 700w such as the PPC 6700 and iMate models). Depending on whatever else is running, that can get kinda tight and performance will take a hit, despite WinMobile's nature of closing down programs that are not being used/of lesser priority. The current leaks of the Treo 700w show 27MB of usable RAM. This running space is not very much at all and will surely be a bain to the more hardcore users, and any who decide that doing Outlook, IE, and Word at the same time is what they want to do. Its unfortunate really, but it seems that this was a cost vs performace measure with the 700w.

But your right, the Treo700w is ultimately targeted at the corp users but also WM power users who want the convergence and don't want Palm OS.

Its great to have choice and thats what matters.

Amen . And like many here, and probably yourself, I will not be looking at this model except for pieces of functionality that my Treo doesnt do but should do (like the current sending of a text message when I ignore a call thanks to Ludus Tech - great idea and excellent program, free too).

[evilbollweevil]

I strongly concur. Keep the faith!

At least there are still rumors (and hope) about the 700p. I would really hate to see the end of the Palm OS.

[Teresanw]

I desparately want a new phone but do not really care for the Palm OS system. Sorry, just didn't do it for me. I have been reading and researching both the 650 and 700w and I like so many others are trying to decide to get the 650 now or wait until the 700w comes out. I travel for my job and want to put all the electronics I have to carry, under one. Could use some help in this decision.

Teresanw

[chris]

I have been reading and researching both the 650 and 700w and I like so many others are trying to decide to get the 650 now or wait until the 700w comes out.

If you haven't used either, then I can imagine this being a very difficult decision. The Treo 650 has been out for awhile and it's "known commodity". It's been a tremendously successful product for Palm and most people are very pleased with their 650. The Treo 700 is Windows based, so we're talking about an entirely different OS. I personally haven't used the Windows Mobile OS, so can pass judgement one way or the other. I see the main advantages of the Treo 700 being it's compatiblity with Verizon's hi-speed EV-DO network (enabling what Verizon executives say will be broadband speeds on your Treo) and it will "play nice" with Windows email servers and Windows apps in general. The Treo 700 won't necessarily bring any new functionality to the table -- other than WiFi through an SD Expansion card.

You do have more options if you go with the Treo 650 in terms of wireless providers. Data packages for the Treo 650 range from $15 to $45. Verizon, who will be the exclusive provider of the 700, charges $45 for unlimited data.

Sorry to dance around the question. Without having the device, it's a hard call.

-Chris

[Teresanw]

Thanks Chris. I use Windows software (I know) mostly for my work and Verizon is my carrier (at least presently), so it sounds like waiting for the 700w will be my best bet. Now patience will be the hardest thing I will have to do.
TeresaNW

[f1realtor]

I have a question for those that who have used palm and windows devices. Which one has the better software selection and specifically for those in the real estate business? I'm new to all of this and want to get the latest and greatest and I'm thinking about waiting for the 700p and seeing how it stacks up to the 700w unless I feel that the 700w will cover my needs. I'm in real estate and I believe that palm is more common in the industry, but I'm still doing some research.