Is any other Mac user (besides me) scared / pissed?

[chirpy]

I'm a Mac user. I'm totally convinced that Windows Mobile won't sync properly, won't work well with my Mac, etc. (Of course, I'm convinced of this purely out of my history / experience working with Windows "in general," not out of direct experience with Windows Mobile.)

So now that I've built my entire personal organizational world around my Treo (vs. another brand), they're heading down a path that is going to strand me when I want the latest/greatest hardware from Treo?

Are no other Mac users scared to death of this new direction by Treo????? Is nobody else pissed that they made this change? I mean, why not Linux? Or symbian, even?

Frustrated in Boston....:mad:

[chris]

I'm a Mac user. I'm totally convinced that Windows Mobile won't sync properly, won't work well with my Mac, etc. (Of course, I'm convinced of this purely out of my history / experience working with Windows "in general," not out of direct experience with Windows Mobile.)

Well, there is no bigger Mac user than myself. I don't think you'll get Mac support "out of the box". However, I do believe that Mark/Space will have their solution ready to go by the launch of the Windows Mobile Treo. I don't think it's right that we have to purchase third party software to get it "functioning", but we might be better off. I've always felt that Mark/Space's Missing Sync was a much better product than HotSync Manager. As a Mac user, you're probably better off using the new Palm device.

So now that I've built my entire personal organizational world around my Treo (vs. another brand), they're heading down a path that is going to strand me when I want the latest/greatest hardware from Treo?

I personally believe that Palm is going to introduce a new Palm OS based Treo that will be better than the Windows Mobile Treo in many respects -- and obviously it's much better suited for Mac users with Palm Desktop already supporting the Mac platform. The advantages of the Windows Mobile Treo are more directed towards companys and IT departments that are looking for a device to work seamlessly with their Windows based systems. Palm's foray into Windows Mobile based smartphones will provide the company with more revenue to continue development of better products (Palm OS and Windows Mobile based). You might not have the latest and greatest Palm device in January of 06' (and it's still debatable about whether the Treo 700W is better than the Treo 650), but it's my guess that Palm will have a follow up product based on the Palm OS.

Are no other Mac users scared to death of this new direction by Treo????? Is nobody else pissed that they made this change? I mean, why not Linux? Or symbian, even?

I wasn't pissed when Apple made iPods for PC's..wasn't pissed when they switched to Intel (well, sort of:rolleyes. The point is that Palm is doing what it has to in order to expand it's market. If they stop making Palm OS based Treo's or we end up being second class citizens, then it's time to write letters. Until then, I'll either use the Mark/Space solution with the 700 or wait for them to one up the 700W with a 700P or Treo 750 for that matter.

-Chris

[Liquifier]

Well, as fellow Mac user, I do not have any staggering concerns over a WM Treo because third parties are bound to develop support for Mac whether it be Mark/Space or any other company. Third party support is usually better and I'm pretty sure Palm is quite reluctant to provide ongoing support for Mac due to some conflicts(I can't remember what it was).

Palm OS itself seems like it will die in a few years as the Japanese company that bought PalmSoft said it would transition to Linux.

[chris]

Mark/Space already supports Windows Mobile Sync on the Mac, just not for Windows Mobile version 5 (which it plans to).

Believe me, I'm in no rush to line the pockets of Billy Gates (save for the xBox and xBox 360). That being said, I'm for any product that pushes the technology envelope and makes my mobile life that much better. I've been using the Treo since the early days of the Star Trek communicator 180 and the product line just continues to get better from a hardware perspective. Will the 700 be enough to upgrade? It's too early to tell.. at least for me as a Mac user. Obviously, the first question will be support for the Sync process and my iApps.

-Chris

[evilbollweevil]

Originally Posted by chris

Mark/Space already supports Windows Mobile Sync on the Mac, just not for Windows Mobile version 5 (which it plans to).

Believe me, I'm in no rush to line the pockets of Billy Gates (save for the xBox and xBox 360). That being said, I'm for any product that pushes the technology envelope and makes my mobile life that much better. I've been using the Treo since the early days of the Star Trek communicator 180 and the product line just continues to get better from a hardware perspective. Will the 700 be enough to upgrade? It's too early to tell.. at least for me as a Mac user. Obviously, the first question will be support for the Sync process and my iApps.

-Chris

As a Mac convert as of a few years ago, I can strongly say I do not want to gravitate back toward Microsoft (except for xBox and xBox 360). I hope that a Palm based Treo 700 is not far off. That little "w" at the end of the part number tells me they are fore shadowing a distinction in operating systems otherwise why else would they put it there? I hope it is the case that we will see a Treo700 "p".

[tcbracing]

Originally Posted by evilbollweevil

As a Mac convert as of a few years ago, I can strongly say I do not want to gravitate back toward Microsoft (except for xBox and xBox 360). I hope that a Palm based Treo 700 is not far off. That little "w" at the end of the part number tells me they are fore shadowing a distinction in operating systems otherwise why else would they put it there? I hope it is the case that we will see a Treo700 "p".

Same here. I switched to a iBook G3 and then upgraded to a PowerBook G4 and never looked back. As much as I love my 650 and the form factor, I would have to switch to another brand Palm phone before I would ever buy a Windoze phone.

If they upgrade this to Palm OS5 http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/n...od_id=SPH-I500
it could be an alternative.

Tom

[emdub]

I've been using Palms from the time when they were still branded 3com and I'm very used to it's workings and "quirks". Macs I've been using from much before that! Actually I was an Apple user before I was a Mac user... only some will understand what this means. In fact, I've never owned a Win PC! (but was forcibly made to use them!)

I've moved away from the Palm operating system several times, but sooner or later always returned. My last Palm before I decided I wanted to try new things was a Tungsten T. My Wife still uses it. I was also tired carrying of 2 devices so I moved to a SE P800 with Symbian. It was a nightmare getting used to it, and I don't think I ever did, although I used it daily for at least a year. Then the P900 came out, I sold my P800 and bought a Sony Clie TH450 (or something of the sort...) and a normal small SE phone. Back to 2 devices.

Eventually got tired again of carrying 2 gadgets and bought a Qtek s100 (or imate jam or magician or something like that... the small one.) Getting used to it was a pita, but was easier in great part due to Missing Sync for Win Mobile. It worked really well and the small bugs I found were ironed out in the 2 months since it's release. Quickly I found that I had to keep the qtek pretty empty of programs for it to run well. I had to perform a soft (warm) reset once a day and a hard one at least once a month. BIG PITA! : One of the biggest problems was instaling apps because 95% percent of them come as .exe which made me go through VirtualPC to get working. Errors wre as cryptic on it as they are on Windows ("unknow error"), but the Palm is pretty dodgy in that field too. Anyway, had this for a while and I was really starting to get used to it when the Treo 650 really caught my attention. Bought it from e-bay recently. I think it's a decision I should have made long ago and should have done it when the 600 came out.

Coming back to the Palm system is like coming home for me. It's a MUCH better system and much more stable. All this rambling just to say that I think I'd rather keep an old Treo with Palm OS than buy the latest bell's and whistles with Win Mobile... I doubt I'll voluntarily move back to Win Mobile or Symbian. I'd rather go back to 2 devices.

[alex_mathews]

Originally Posted by tcbracing

If they upgrade this to Palm OS5 http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/n...od_id=SPH-I500
it could be an alternative.

Tom

Not going to happen. Samsung has bailed on making anymore Palm OS based smartphones.

[surrealx]

I for one am not afraid, due to a nifty program I have already had to resort to on the Mac due to Palms lack of a decent Sync solution for the Palm OS.

Missing Sync for Palm OS, and Missing Sync for Windows Mobile is on it's way.