Push Email - 700w?

[treythompson]

Originally Posted by voltage

Awesome Trey...thank you so much.

Ok... Im not at the office right now but I will try first thing in the morning at see if I can connect to that address, if its there I will get into it.

Try it from the outside (Internet), that's where your phonr tries to connect to...

Originally Posted by voltage

Second how do I know if I have the certificate installed? If I had to guess I would say no, but I'm really not sure. Where would I get it?

You have to specifically install it. See my other post http://www.everythingtreo.com/forum/...ming-4148.html.

Originally Posted by voltage

Errors.... ha
I'm ready to through this thing against the wall. I get my e-mail 20min->hours later.

I got the phone through Verizon Wireless and they made it seem like I needed to install their wireless sync software which they tell me has bugs in it and yes that produces some errors. I read about this "Messaging and Security Feature Pack" I thought that’s what I need in order to set up correctly push e-mail. Is this not true? Is there another way? Do I not need to use the Verizon Wireless Sync Software?

NO! You definitely don't need their Wireless Sync software if you are on Exchange Server, Service Pack 2!

Originally Posted by voltage

Any help is appreciated everyone in the office with their Blackberry's are getting a good laugh, I'd love to show them up. From what I know I have Exchange 2003 Server SP1 installed on the sever, I could find out any additional information without a problem.

Get SP2 installed, and it should work just fine. Might need some tweaking, but it should work fine. Feel free to give your Exchange Administrator my email address, I'd be happy to work with them. Believe you me, this is TONs better than Blackberry! We've used both!

[MystaMax]

Originally Posted by treythompson

Get SP2 installed, and it should work just fine. Might need some tweaking, but it should work fine. Feel free to give your Exchange Administrator my email address, I'd be happy to work with them. Believe you me, this is TONs better than Blackberry! We've used both!

Although, I think my exchange admin will figure it out, I think we'll have to take you up on your offer, if need be. Couple of questions:

What all gets pushed?

global address book?
personal address book?
tasks?
notes?

Whats your overall review of push technology w/ Exchange 2k3 SP2, and the treo 700w. I'd be very interested in hearing what you have to say. Thanks.

[treythompson]

Originally Posted by MystaMax

What all gets pushed?

Calender, Contacts, Email, Tasks.

Originally Posted by MystaMax

global address book?

I saw a demo of this today at a Microsoft event, but, the guy couldn't get it to work. I THINK you can do real time look ups while connected, not necessarily offline.

Originally Posted by MystaMax

personal address book?

Yes, this is just your contacts.

Originally Posted by MystaMax

tasks?

Yep!

Originally Posted by MystaMax

notes?

Nope! You have to use Desktop ActiveSync for this.

Originally Posted by MystaMax

Whats your overall review of push technology w/ Exchange 2k3 SP2, and the treo 700w. I'd be very interested in hearing what you have to say. Thanks.

Well, right now, the technology is that if you get a new email, Exchange sends an SMS message (be careful, these aren't free with Verizon) to your Treo telling it, "Hey, time to Sync!" So, ActiveSync fires up, and syncs. This is the "Push/Pull" technology, and it seems to work pretty darn well. There ARE some small things you really have to pay attention to in making sure that you Exchange Server is setup properly. I think the plain Windows Server, and Exchange Server 2003 appear to work fine out of the box. It's when you get with Small Business Server versions of Exchange that there are some hiccups because of the other sites installed, like the CompanyWeb, SharePoint, etc...

Now, the new technology will work like this (once the MSFP comes out). The Treo will sent a heartbeat (via https) to the server saying, "Here I am!" I think this is, "Here's my public IP address!". Then, this connection will be held open for as little as 15 seconds, and up to something like 27,000 seconds. Now, if a message comes into the Exchange Server, it will then send the command to the WM device telling it to Sync.

To be honest, in my opinion, there aren't a whole lot of differences in the way this syncs. But, aparantly the difference on the back end is significant. I think the "speed" is the main issue.

Now, the new MSFP will allow for alot of security features, like Remote Wipe, and enforcing password (PIN) policies to lock the device. Very nice for large administrations.

ALL configurable from the Exchange System Manager.

Overall opinion? I think it's an awesome product. It will tie into all devices running Windows Mobile 5.0 (Smartphones, etc...) Some people are calling it the Blackberry Killer, but, I think that's a little strong. There will always be a market for that. But, the ability for a small business with 5 employees to have the same quality of products (some say better) as the former $3,000 Blackberry Enterprise server products.... Well, that's just an awesome move on Microsoft's part.

You don't have to like Microsoft, but, you do have to recognize that they are making some huge moves that allow Small Businesses access to products/features that used to only be available to large corporations.

I say,

[MystaMax]

Good deal. I must of overlooked something in this thread the other night, b/c I was under the impression that Push email was successfully setup somewhere out there. Ah well, Hi hopes :rolleyes:. I honestly think the 700w is the best phone that I've own yet. Definately by far, the most versatile. Only wish it had a lil more power.

I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts about all this. very valuable feedback. Thanks.

[bhatok]

People think they have direct-push working but really they just have the auto up to date notifications working. This is completely different on the backend as Trey explained, and it charges you for txt messages. When Palm or Verizon release the update for the 700w with the Messaging and Security Feature Pack, it will be truely direct push. The only question is WHEN WILL THEY DO THIS???? They are killing me waiting!

[MystaMax]

Originally Posted by bhatok

People think they have direct-push working but really they just have the auto up to date notifications working.

what makes u think that?

[kevinmg]

Originally Posted by MystaMax

what makes u think that?

bhatok is correct, right now the software isn't in place for true push email on the Treo 700w. it is coming soon (hopefully) as an update....so yes, right now those who are experiencing 'push' email are really just gettinga text message sent to their phone that tells active sync to sync up with the server....in which case, might as well call Verizon and ask them to add the PDA 2000 SMS allowance to your plan - it's a free add-on

[treythompson]

One thing everyone needs to remember is that the cellular network providers (for now, just Verizon) have to make sure their network is compliant with the new push technology.

And, it's not 100% push technology.

The phone will still have to provide a "heartbeat" to the server, telling it what it's IP address is. This is configurable as to how much time goes between the heartbeats.

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